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Hello everybody working for the editorial board! You have done a great job composing and assessing the results on the on-line Olympiad in the English language for teachers. But … Have you checked your own keys to the factual material you have used in compiling questions? You have a chance now to prove your objectivity and professionalism. In case you have time, recheck the keys for correct answers. There could be errors in the computer program you used.
Sincerely,
Victoria Melnikova
Taraz

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Виктория Мельникова ( vikavm )
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Информация Кио ( kioinfo ) 04.03.2013 13:45
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Виктория Мельникова ( vikavm ) 02.03.2013 22:57
I am not against.
Виктория, если Вы не против, мы хотим разместить здесь для примера анализ Ваших ответов, чтобы другие участники могли оценить качество проведенной проверки.
Информация Кио ( kioinfo ) 02.03.2013 21:26
Виктория, если Вы не против, мы хотим разместить здесь для примера анализ Ваших ответов, чтобы другие участники могли оценить качество проведенной проверки.
По результатам дополнительного анализа заданий, найдено 3 задания, которые признаны непригодными по причине неполного условия, или истечения срока актуальности. Всем участникам у кого эти задания попали в тест будут начислены баллы. В понедельник будет произведен пересчет результатов. Анализ проводился по заданиям с наименьшей вероятностью верных ответов.
Информация Кио ( kioinfo ) 02.03.2013 21:19
По результатам дополнительного анализа заданий, найдено 3 задания, которые признаны непригодными по причине неполного условия, или истечения срока актуальности. Всем участникам у кого эти задания попали в тест будут начислены баллы. В понедельник будет произведен пересчет результатов. Анализ проводился по заданиям с наименьшей вероятностью верных ответов.
Alexei, in your answer to Tatiana Berkova today you were speaking quite to the point: we can never admit that the answer is correct if even one of the points in the answer is incorrect. That is what I was speaking about the keys you provided. The words oversee-overlook are synonyms that is why THE KEY your experts provided IS NOT CORRECT. I haven't got your experts' answer to my analysis of the task on synonymic pairs yet and I expect them to review their keys for appropriate ones. Look forward to hearing from them. Sincerely, Victoria Melnikova
Виктория Мельникова ( vikavm ) 01.03.2013 16:27
Alexei, in your answer to Tatiana Berkova today you were speaking quite to the point: we can never admit that the answer is correct if even one of the points in the answer is incorrect. That is what I was speaking about the keys you provided. The words oversee-overlook are synonyms that is why THE KEY your experts provided IS NOT CORRECT. I haven't got your experts' answer to my analysis of the task on synonymic pairs yet and I expect them to review their keys for appropriate ones. Look forward to hearing from them.
Sincerely,

Victoria Melnikova
Alexei, I suppose you will inform test makers of my observations about the question they suggested for analysis and the REFERENCES they provided for correct keys. I assume it was their only valid reference, that’s why they did not dare to analyze my other errors according to them. The other questions of the test were taken from the Internet, and it is academically proved we can never trust all of them. Even this analysis of my mistakes in one task shows that we can never rely on a certain reference; there exist a lot of other reliable sources as I managed to prove. By the way, I have the books you’ve mentioned above and much more except for Crazy English. I insist on reviewing my work and the keys… PS: Your idea about making corrections (работа над ошибками) is fine. But this time I am making corrections of somebody’s mistakes ☺
Виктория Мельникова ( vikavm ) 28.02.2013 08:57
Alexei, I suppose you will inform test makers of my observations about the question they suggested for analysis and the REFERENCES they provided for correct keys. I assume it was their only valid reference, that’s why they did not dare to analyze my other errors according to them. The other questions of the test were taken from the Internet, and it is academically proved we can never trust all of them. Even this analysis of my mistakes in one task shows that we can never rely on a certain reference; there exist a lot of other reliable sources as I managed to prove. By the way, I have the books you’ve mentioned above and much more except for Crazy English.

I insist on reviewing my work and the keys…

PS: Your idea about making corrections (работа над ошибками) is fine. But this time I am making corrections of somebody’s mistakes ☺
Отличные тесты а результат сногсшибательный. Жаловаться не собираюсь. У меня вопрос. Тесты были для преподавателей "Страноведения и прикладной лингвистики" или кто-то слишком "умный"? Specially for EFL Teachers!!! Dear colleagues, don't take it for granted as I see no reason to feel sorry. Any one can make an error/mistake. The winner can be gifted a million$. Are you sure?
Дмитрий Ким ( DmitriyKim ) 27.02.2013 22:40
Отличные тесты а результат сногсшибательный. Жаловаться не собираюсь.
У меня вопрос. Тесты были для преподавателей "Страноведения и прикладной лингвистики" или кто-то слишком "умный"?

Specially for EFL Teachers!!!
Dear colleagues, don't take it for granted as I see no reason to feel sorry. Any one can make an error/mistake. The winner can be gifted a million$. Are you sure?
Hello again! I had some time to analyze your answer, and this is what I’ve found out. Out of 6 correct synonymous pairs (your version) caretaker-caregiver ravel-unravel slim chance-fat chance bad licking-good licking lossen-unloosen uplift-lift up One pair ravel-unravel is not given as synonymous pair in Merriam Webster Collegiate Thesaurus (book of synonyms) It gives synonyms to each of them apart but never do they come together as synonyms (see Merriam Webster Collegiate Thesaurus, pp. 603, 814) Next, overlook-oversee are used as synonyms in Webster’s New World Dictionary, p. 964 and Merriam Webster Collegiate Thesaurus p. 532 You consider that they are not synonyms. Finally, once you give 3 points for 6 correct answers (your version) one of which is not completely correct (see my evidence), and one is correct but you consider that it is incorrect, then this question must be annulled. I studied testing and assessment for my Master’s Degree in the USA and now I know that such things cannot be admitted in testing. I hope you realize that we are in one boat, teaching, and we teach each other by working together. Sincerely, Victoria Melnikova PS: Once the key to this question cannot be considered to be correct, I doubt now whether the others are correct .
Виктория Мельникова ( vikavm ) 27.02.2013 22:08
Hello again! I had some time to analyze your answer, and this is what I’ve found out.
Out of 6 correct synonymous pairs (your version)

caretaker-caregiver
ravel-unravel
slim chance-fat chance
bad licking-good licking
lossen-unloosen
uplift-lift up


One pair
ravel-unravel

is not given as synonymous pair in
Merriam Webster Collegiate Thesaurus (book of synonyms)

It gives synonyms to each of them apart but never do they come together as synonyms (see Merriam Webster Collegiate Thesaurus, pp. 603, 814)

Next,
overlook-oversee
are used as synonyms in
Webster’s New World Dictionary, p. 964
and
Merriam Webster Collegiate Thesaurus p. 532
You consider that they are not synonyms.

Finally, once you give 3 points for 6 correct answers (your version) one of which is not completely correct (see my evidence),
and one is correct but you consider that it is incorrect, then this question must be annulled.

I studied testing and assessment for my Master’s Degree in the USA and now I know that such things cannot be admitted in testing. I hope you realize that we are in one boat, teaching, and we teach each other by working together.
Sincerely,
Victoria Melnikova
PS: Once the key to this question cannot be considered to be correct, I doubt now whether the others are correct .
Виктория, очень понимаю Ваше желание провести работу над ошибками, но согласно Положения КИО не предоставляет текст заданий, и каждый участник с этим соглашается перед тем, как он получит задания. Можем Вас заверить, ключи у остальных заданий были перепроверены и не имели ошибок.
Информация Кио ( kioinfo ) 27.02.2013 19:05
Виктория, очень понимаю Ваше желание провести работу над ошибками, но согласно Положения КИО не предоставляет текст заданий, и каждый участник с этим соглашается перед тем, как он получит задания. Можем Вас заверить, ключи у остальных заданий были перепроверены и не имели ошибок.
Hello Alexei and editorial board! I appreciate your concern about the correctness of keys for the Olympiad. You selected one question and provided a complete explanation of it copied from the book mentioned. The task was really tricky! But it is only one task out of twenty -minus 3 points! I am sure it is the only minus in my work (the result published is minus 16). Please review my work for errors. I understand it takes time but it is your/my job. Sincerely, Victoria Melnikova
Виктория Мельникова ( vikavm ) 27.02.2013 17:27
Hello Alexei and editorial board! I appreciate your concern about the correctness of keys for the Olympiad. You selected one question and provided a complete explanation of it copied from the book mentioned. The task was really tricky! But it is only one task out of twenty -minus 3 points! I am sure it is the only minus in my work (the result published is minus 16). Please review my work for errors. I understand it takes time but it is your/my job. Sincerely,
Victoria Melnikova
Была проведена дополнительная проверка ключей, несколько тестов от участников со стажем были отправлены составителям на предмет неправильной проверки ключей. Ответ отрицательный, неполадок в выставлении или проверке ключей не обнаружено. Для примера приводим одно из нашумевших заданий с комментарием. 13. (11205) Mark synonymic pairs Ответ поль: 66205,66209 Макс. возм. баллы: 3 Набрано пользователем: 0 1) [66210] button - unbutton 2) [66205] a caretaker - a caregiver 3) [66209] overlook - oversee 4) [66212] ravel - unravel 5) [66211] tie - untie 6) [66208] a wise man - a wise guy 7) [66204] a slim chance - a fat chance 8) [66213] uplift - lift up 9) [66206] a bad licking - a good licking 10) [66207] loosen - unloosen Согласно Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary of Current English (A.S. Hornby) 3) [66209] oversee- to watch sb/sth and make sure that a job or an activity is done correctly overlook – to fail to see or notice sth 8) [66213] uplift – (noun, verb) –the fact of sth being raised or of sth increasing; lift up – to raise or to be raised 9) [66206] licking – noun, a severe defeat in the battle, in the game, etc. 10) [66207] loosen – to make sth less tight; unloosen – to make sth loose Richard Lederer, “Crazy English”, pages 3, 6, 7 “…it is now time to face the fact that English is a crazy language – the most loopy and wiggy of all tongues.” - page 3 “A slim chance and a fat chance are the same/ as are a caregiver and a caretaker, a bad licking and a good licking, and “What’s going on?” and “What’s coming off?” ……….. If button and unbutton and tie and untie are opposites, why are loosen and unloosen and ravel and unravel the same? Pages 6,7
Информация Кио ( kioinfo ) 27.02.2013 15:13
Была проведена дополнительная проверка ключей, несколько тестов от участников со стажем были отправлены составителям на предмет неправильной проверки ключей. Ответ отрицательный, неполадок в выставлении или проверке ключей не обнаружено. Для примера приводим одно из нашумевших заданий с комментарием.

13. (11205) Mark synonymic pairs
Ответ поль: 66205,66209 Макс. возм. баллы: 3
Набрано пользователем: 0

1) [66210] button - unbutton

2) [66205] a caretaker - a caregiver

3) [66209] overlook - oversee

4) [66212] ravel - unravel

5) [66211] tie - untie

6) [66208] a wise man - a wise guy

7) [66204] a slim chance - a fat chance

8) [66213] uplift - lift up

9) [66206] a bad licking - a good licking

10) [66207] loosen - unloosen

Согласно Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary of Current English (A.S. Hornby)

3) [66209] oversee- to watch sb/sth and make sure that a job or an activity is done correctly

overlook – to fail to see or notice sth

8) [66213] uplift – (noun, verb) –the fact of sth being raised or of sth increasing;

lift up – to raise or to be raised

9) [66206] licking – noun, a severe defeat in the battle, in the game, etc.

10) [66207] loosen – to make sth less tight; unloosen – to make sth loose

Richard Lederer, “Crazy English”, pages 3, 6, 7

“…it is now time to face the fact that English is a crazy language – the most loopy and wiggy of all tongues.” - page 3

“A slim chance and a fat chance are the same/ as are a caregiver and a caretaker, a bad licking and a good licking, and “What’s going on?” and “What’s coming off?”

………..

If button and unbutton and tie and untie are opposites, why are loosen and unloosen and ravel and unravel the same? Pages 6,7
I completely agree with you, my colleagues! It's so important to see our results!sincerely yours Dalmira
Дальмира Бекова ( Dalya ) 26.02.2013 23:08
I completely agree with you, my colleagues! It's so important to see our results!sincerely yours Dalmira
Aleksei, it's not the question of difficulty, it's the question of technical service. I've been working too long to cope with things like this Olympiad, believe me. As for the questions we had, most of them (90%) are taken from the Internet. I just insist on reviewing the keys you have or invite specialists to help you. It would be nice to hear from those people who compiled all the questions. You know what, the Olympiad for teachers is over but the Olympiad for students is still on. I think we may take pictures of the works done, post them in the Internet before you announce the results, and invite all specialists (this time not yours) to check the answers, give scores and compare with your final results on the due date. I do not think it will bring you any good. Please, think of it and recheck the results with appropriate keys ...
Виктория Мельникова ( vikavm ) 25.02.2013 23:27
Aleksei, it's not the question of difficulty, it's the question of technical service. I've been working too long to cope with things like this Olympiad, believe me. As for the questions we had, most of them (90%) are taken from the Internet. I just insist on reviewing the keys you have or invite specialists to help you. It would be nice to hear from those people who compiled all the questions. You know what, the Olympiad for teachers is over but the Olympiad for students is still on. I think we may take pictures of the works done, post them in the Internet before you announce the results, and invite all specialists (this time not yours) to check the answers, give scores and compare with your final results on the due date. I do not think it will bring you any good. Please, think of it and recheck the results with appropriate keys ...
Уважаемые участники олимпиады! Многие вопросы по английскому можно оценивать как вопросы повышенной трудности, так как они составлены на основе американских и английских источников. Мы готовы рассмотреть вопрос о снижении уровня трудности вопросов, но правильность ответов вы можете проверить по соответствующим cловарям и использованным нами источникам: Richard Lederer - "Crazy English" (the USA); R.A. Close - "A Reference Grammar for Students of English"( российская перепечатка справочника издательства "Longman"); Michael Swan - Practical English Usage (Oxford); L.G. Alexander - "Longman English Grammar" (Longman).
Информация Кио ( kioinfo ) 25.02.2013 22:41
Уважаемые участники олимпиады! Многие вопросы по английскому можно оценивать как вопросы повышенной трудности, так как они составлены на основе американских и английских источников. Мы готовы рассмотреть вопрос о снижении уровня трудности вопросов, но правильность ответов вы можете проверить по соответствующим cловарям и использованным нами источникам: Richard Lederer - "Crazy English" (the USA); R.A. Close - "A Reference Grammar for Students of English"( российская перепечатка справочника издательства "Longman"); Michael Swan - Practical English Usage (Oxford); L.G. Alexander - "Longman English Grammar" (Longman).
P.S.it`s very important for me!Annul my results)))))
Татьяна Беркова ( TatyanaB ) 25.02.2013 20:23
P.S.it`s very important for me!Annul my results)))))
I completely agree with you, Victoria!When I saw my results, I was shocked....8 points))))))How could I be so inattentive???Or it was not my fault? Or errors in your computer program????Send these tasks with right answers!!!Dear teachers,join us in our complain!!Nastya Lukina, my congratulations! Respectfully, Tatyana Berkova Semey
Татьяна Беркова ( TatyanaB ) 25.02.2013 20:10
I completely agree with you, Victoria!When I saw my results, I was shocked....8 points))))))How could I be so inattentive???Or it was not my fault? Or errors in your computer program????Send these tasks with right answers!!!Dear teachers,join us in our complain!!Nastya Lukina, my congratulations!
Respectfully,
Tatyana Berkova
Semey
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